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QUESTION: Do you think that we overemphasize grace at the expense of holiness? There's a woman in my church Bible study that is gay and no one says anything about it. Personally I'm uncomfortable but when I feel that way I'm confronted with the "beam in my own eye" and the hardness in my heart. After all, I'm a sinner too. I want to just love her but I am finding her homosexuality to be a barrier.

ANSWER: Man, you folks know how to put me against a wall! Can't you just ask me things like, "Do angels have wings?" Just joking...

But really, your question puts me in a real "sticky" place because you're talking about an issue that really divides, inflames, and polarizes. I can only pray that God gives me "the grace" (pun fully intended) to exalt the truth amidst all the land mines. Here we go!

Grace can never be too emphasized. In fact, believe it or not, in my experience as I travel through the body of Christ and all sorts of denominations and cultures, if there's anything that's grossly under-emphasized it's grace! The over-emphasis I find out there is an over-emphasis on what I'll give the name "self help"--how to get what you want from God, how to be happy and whole, how to get healed, how to make your dreams come true, how to find your purpose in life, how to succeed, how to be prosperous...

Don’t get me wrong--these are all worthy of consideration--but if you step back and take a good hard look you'll see it's all very "me-centered," and from what I see as I travel around and watch and listen it's an emphasis that's very much taken over. And you're right to say that holiness suffers--but from my angle it suffers largely because of that over-emphasis, not any over-emphasis on grace. God is busy trying to shape and form our characters--that's His focus--building holiness in us--but we tend to be more interested in all those things I just mentioned, and therein is the heartbreaking downfall.

But returning to grace, the fact that it is so largely under-emphasized in our churches is an even more heartbreaking downfall. It's what Paul rails on and on about through his letters--the grave error of moving away from grace. And it's so obvious: grace literally is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus literally is living grace. To emphasize grace is to give Jesus all the glory. To de-emphasize grace is to proclaim the opposite of grace which is righteousness through works--self righteousness--the one sin two thousand years ago that caused Jesus to shout, "Woe to you!" Getting the picture?

So now you look at someone in your church community who walks in sin which is what homosexuality is--sexual sin. Ok, the next time you're sitting in church look around the room at all the well-dressed people singing, "Hallelujah!" who may not be involved in (and here's the key) that specific sin and ask yourself, "How many of them don't sin at all?" We all know the answer--none of them. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," and I can promise you that if you had the slightest idea what was going on behind a whole lot of closed doors your wig would do back flips. Yikes!

Now I'm not saying the homosexual lifestyle is ok--it's not ok. It's far from ok. It's as heartbreaking a sin as there is. But here's the thing--in God's eyes sexual sin is sexual sin no matter what form it takes. In His eyes there is no difference between what she is doing and, say, a man cheating on his wife, or a girl sleeping with her boyfriend, or a guy "having sex" with magazines or the internet...

It's we who make the distinction--a distinction that's not in line with God's perspective. It's we who make one style of sin more terrible than another--not God. To Him all of it is unrighteousness and it all needs to be covered by the blood of Jesus and (this is big) overcome by the power of His Spirit operating and redeeming and cleansing... the life of a believer.

Just last night I was on the phone with a friend from overseas and he was telling me he had changed churches. He was part of a huge, thriving church and then suddenly it came to light that the pastor was keeping not one but two women on the side along with his wife. Hey, how many times do you hear that kind of story? Now that's a tragedy and so incredibly devastating, but the point is we tend to think that kind of thing is somehow more "ok" than homosexuality when nothing could be further from the truth. There are no distinctions, and the only righteousness is God in Jesus. Amen and amen.

But how do you practically deal with a situation like you talked about. First off, it's not yours to deal with. You're not her pastor. God hasn't given you that shepherding position in her life nor has He given you the relationship of trust with her that is the only foundation by which anything you would speak into her life would be received.

It's her pastor's job to sit her down and say, "Look, you're a Christian now and the Lord wants to 'renew your mind' just as He is doing with mine and everyone's around you. He has plans and hopes for your life, redemption for your life... but you need to make some hard decisions just like I've had to make hard decisions and everyone who truly is serious about pursuing life in Jesus has to make hard decisions--decisions you can make in His power and grace."

If she rebuts and refuses; if she just carries on and touts the gross misunderstanding that it's ok with God; if her pastor gets to the point where he's done everything he can and the bottom line is she just flat out refuses to pursue any sense of righteousness... then he needs to take a stand and protect his flock as Paul outlined in 1 Corinthians.

As for you, just force yourself to look at her through God's eyes. If you show her anything show her His heartbreak for her and your compassion and understanding. Again, she's no different than anyone else participating in sin--and I can promise you, we'd all be shocked if we could see all the things going on that God sees in so many of His kids every day. Oh Father, have mercy...

And in everything show her the love of Jesus. I've seen more than a few homosexuals won to Jesus and freed from that confusion by Jesus through the love of Jesus. I have always held the position that people pretty much know the message of Jesus--what they're longing for and looking for is to see it lived out in our character and our lives.

Yes, I can promise you, as you "be Jesus" the people will come. And they'll leave all their unrighteous securities and destructive sources of love and belonging behind. It may take time but they'll come--I know because I've seen it. God's love and hope extends across the board to every homosexual, every heterosexual, every whoever and whatever and beyond... and that love and hope is Jesus! Glory to the Name of Jesus!

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QUESTION: My teenage daughter asked me a question I'm not sure I can answer.  Why do we have to go to church all the time?  I told her we go not for ourselves but to praise God, but I'm not sure she understands.

ANSWER:  Number one God asks (tells?) us to go to church as Paul writes very clearly, "do not forsake the assembly of the saints."  So it's really a point of obedience.  But there's a purpose behind that obedience as God's rules and ways are never arbitrary, never Him just shoving us around, and always Him calling us to step into the fullness of goodness and victory and everything our lives can be.  Yes, in church we glorify God, but it's also in church that we find strengthening to face the challenges of life, encouragement, instruction, leadership, building up, shepherding, accountability, inspiration, vision, relationship, growing in Jesus...  At least we're supposed to be finding these things in church--and if you're not then you need a new church!  Glory to Jesus!
 
There's also a "spiritual dynamic" to assembly.  Jesus said, "Where two or more are gathered in My name..."  It's just the way His kingdom is set up--He calls us to "gather" and unify in His Name, and in that unity of praise, intercession, fellowship, focus... He comes and comes and comes and does extraordinary things!  Exciting!
 
I know that I don't know where I'd be if not for my church.  I tell you, there are weeks when I "run" there--that place where all the shouting and slamming of everyday life in our broken world is cut off and kept "outside" if at least for a couple hours.  It's like going to the chiropractor and getting an adjustment--everything is brought into order and aligned--everything of my soul.  It's girded up, empowered, lifted, pulled back into God's borders, blessed with leadership and instruction.  I walk out "knowing who I am" all over again.  I walk out challenged to be all that God wants me to be.  I walk out blown away by the depth and wealth of His Word.  I walk out blown away by the fellowship of His Spirit.  I walk out feeling "like the head and not the tail."  I walk out longing to know Him more and more.  I walk out with new "equipment" and "armor" to face life's challenges and make life's decisions...  I walk out with more hunger for Him and His Word...  I could go on and on and again, if you're church isn't drawing you into these realities then start looking around.  So many of our churches are just "going through the motions" and more entertaining people than anything else.  As comfortable and "easy" as that might be for anyone, I tell you, you're only cheating yourself. 
 
God gives us "tools" that we can either pick up and use or choose not to use (to our own detriment)--tools by which we can draw as close to Him as is humanly possible, rise into the fullness of all our lives can be, live in the realities of His kingdom promise and power, rest with our eyes firmly on Him and His faithfulness and the eternity that lies before us...  He gives us His Word, He gives us His Spirit, He gives us His fellowship in prayer, He gives us the privilege of intercession... and He gives us "the assembly of the saints."  Don't "forsake it" whatever you do.  Find a life-breathing assembly and dive on in!  Glory to His Name!

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QUESTION: Hey Bruce, I have been hearing a lot of controversy about all the prophecy now days and was wondering where you stand on this. One friend of mine is telling me it's all evil and I just can't buy that. GOD has blessed me much with prophecy. I don't know how much you know about the Toronto Airport Vineyard Church and what has been going on there for the past ten years but if you are familiar with it please tell me your take on it. Is this for real? People keep telling me the evils of this revival and how I am just being deceived like they are. Is it possible to have such a passion for JESUS like these people do and not be "of" HIM? Just how do we know when revival and prophecy is the real thing or some counterfeit?

ANSWER: Man, I am really "stepping into it" with this latest batch of questions. But really, I am touched that so many folks think I actually have something to say on these kinds of subjects. I tell you, all I ever did was play Jesus in a movie and look where it's brought me. Glory to His Name!

Well, I'm typically going to answer you "from left field," Here comes nothing...

First, I have been in so many varied circles in the body of Christ over the past 10 years of ministry and so "seen it all" that if there's one thing I've learned it's that there are no "hard and fast rules" in these kinds of areas where folks try to draw them. I mean, there are clear lines drawn in God's Word--that goes without saying and is always the yardstick by which we measure everything. But in terms of sitting outside something and trying judge what's going on in someone's heart... Forgive me, but that's for God and God alone.

As for specifics, all I can tell you is that

1) I've met folks who "feast" on charismatic life like that you're asking me about and they just love Jesus--AND I've met just as many folks who feast on it that are just paying games with Him.

2) BY THE SAME TOKEN, I've met folks who have lived their entire lives in very "sheltered" non-charismatic teaching who love Jesus just as much if not more, and yes, I've met folks in that same arena who are also playing games with Him.

In other words, no matter what "arena" of the body you walk in you'll find real passionate seekers of God and you'll find what you call "counterfeit." There's just as many counterfeit (I'm going to pull a denomination out of the air just for the sake of making the point, so I'm not saying anything specific about them), say, Presbyterians (just pulling a name out of the hat) as there are counterfeit "Holy Spirit laughter" folks. No matter where you go you'll find folks on both sides of the fence, so... there's that part of my answer. I just have learned to take people where they're at, follow my own discernment built on God's Word (hopefully), and leave individuals to Him to judge and decide on. Amen and amen...

Ok, now to prophesy. The bottom line is 1 John 4:1 which says, "test the spirits to see if they are from God." It really is that simple. And here's how you test the spirits: The Word of God. God will never contradict Himself--period, end of story. I'm not going to go too deeply into this because I know that I really explored it well with another similar question a while ago (don't remember what number question--sorry). But here's the thing about prophecy...

1) people are forever coming up and saying, "God told me to tell you... and I say, "thanks but no thanks." I mean, I don't know this guy from anyone so I have no basis to trust what he is telling me. There are people who really know me and I have a relationship of trust with that have the "right" to speak into my life. And I can trust that it's not from their own imaginations. I mean, look all through the Scriptures and see the warnings upon warnings about "false prophets." I'm telling you, playing with fire.

So I'd be very wary of people just coming up to you with their "parking lot prophesies," if you know what I mean, or even the self-proclaimed prophets that shout "Thus saith the Lord" from so many microphones. I saw one guy on TV once and man, he was just sweating and screaming and grabbing people out of the audience and boasting about His predictions that had come true and name-dropping about who he'd "prophesied" over... Forgive me but his behavior was so far from "Jesus-like" it wasn't funny, and my spirit just said, "Not a chance, buddy. You're just going off in what the Bible calls "your own imagination." And again forgive me, but I've learned to trust the "renewing of my mind." In other words, I'm trusting that God has built in me a good level of discernment and I can rely on that to keep me from trouble. And again, the bottom line is the call of God's Word to test the spirits. Amen!

2) Prophecy is not fortune telling! My goodness, this is huge that I am saying. I cannot tell you how many people I know who have made major life changes because "a prophet told me this" or that. I know a woman who was told, "You will marry a foreigner and the two of you will do ministry." So here she is today in her 50's and she's walked by dozens of great guys who never understood why she wouldn't go out with them and all the time she's waiting for some missionary with a funny accent. I tell you, what a crying shame a thing like that is. I know a guy who left his wife because a "prophet" told him God had a ministry for him and his wife was holding him back. Really--can you believe that? So true prophecy never is stuff like that. True prophecy is one thing and one thing only: encouragement and edification and it is always the straight from the Word of God. If you can't find it in the Word, trash it--period! Stay within those lines and stay far from the fortune tellers and you'll do ok. Amen!

On a final note, I will never forget this guy sitting on TV many years ago (why are they always on TV?) and prophesying that God was going to do something catastrophic on a certain date. I tell you, this guy was one of these well known guys and so a huge part of the body of Christ went scrambling--this was way back years ago and no, it wasn't 9/11. Well there were people selling their homes and moving out of the cities and all sorts of stuff. I remember seeing the guy once and he was going on and on like he knew beyond knowing.

Well, you can guess the story--the date came and went and nothing happened. It was a day like any other day--entirely uneventful. So you'd think the guy would get back on TV and apologize for all the havoc he'd caused but no. He got on TV and proclaimed that it did indeed happen, but that it happened "in the spirit realm." I tell you... And the people just scramble. Dear God, have mercy...

So in your own life, don't go jumping off bridges because someone says God told them to tell you. If God truly told them, then He can easily tell you, too. "Test the spirits"--God will not let you down and where you heart is truly tuned to His voice you can't miss His true leadership or anything He has for you through it. Glory to the Name of Jesus!

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QUESTION:
My teenage daughter and I left a church because of a lot of judgmental things that have been said to us. For example, someone came to me and said that her clothing was not what a "young woman of God" should be wearing. Her clothes were clean and all of her body parts were covered, so what's the problem? Now because of these things my daughter has turned her back on the church. She says that it is all hypocrites. How can I get her interested in God again?

ANSWER: Yeah, self-righteousness... It's the disease of the Pharisees 2000 years ago and it is surely alive and well these 2000 years later. Now first off, I can't truly throw that stone at the church folks for two reasons--I don't know all the specifics or the whole story and second, I'm just a crummy sinner, too, outside of Jesus. I have to guess that I've had my share of self-righteous attitudes, too, though in different ways. I mean, haven't we all? In fact, just the fact that your daughter--as justified as it may be--is herself judging those people and turning her back on church is its own brand of that same self-righteousness! I mean, really, throwing out the whole church for the actions of a few--a little over the top, though again, perfectly understandable.

And that is the whole thing, really. Self-righteousness is so rampant and so damaging--the simple attitude of "I'm right and they're wrong." It's in the church, out of the church, in and out of the church... And as I'm sitting here thinking about it, isn't it self-righteousness that is really the bottom line of pretty much all of our troubles? "I'm right and you are wrong." Isn't that what wars are predicated on, and broken families, and 9/11 disasters, and, and, and...? No wonder it is the one thing that really got under Jesus' skin, if I can put it that way. It's the one thing that got Him going with, "Woe to you!" Amen and amen!

Ok, so what do you do now as the damage is done. There's a whole lot you can do. The first thing is the point out to your daughter how that kind of hypocrisy isn't just in the church--but everywhere. Ask her about her own friends--don't they judge and poke fun? Don't they criticize the way other kids dress, exhibiting the same judgmental sense? Of course they do--they're not only human, but kids also! Does she then abandon her friends? No. Does she say, "All friends are hypocrites so I just won't ever have any." Of course not. So just talk her through this and she'll see how she's "picking and choosing" her hypocrisies.

I can remember having a similar discussion with a guy once who said to me, "Christians are hypocrites--I'll never become one." So I asked him what political party he was in and asked him if there were any hypocrites in the party. "Of course!" "Well, why are you still in it? Why do you go to work--surely there are hypocrites where you work. Why do you---?" Needless to say he was a little cornered. I mean, if a guy is going to live free of all hypocrites he's going to live in a closet--but then he would be in that closet, so....

So you can sit her down and talk her through such a thing. But what you can do that's far more "piercing" is talk her through Jesus. Talk with her about how he ran into the exact same things--unto the cross. Show her the passage when Jesus was hanging on that cross--crucified by hypocrites--and His response was, "Father, forgive them." His response was to love them and give His life for them. Point out to her the ways she has judged and done the same kinds of things. Show her in Romans where it says, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"--in other words, we're all guilty. Assure her that it's her relationship with Jesus that is her Christianity, not the silly behavior of His imperfect children--of which she is also one. And more than anything else--pray. Pray for your daughter and pray for your daughter. Pray, pray, pray. Glory to Jesus!

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QUESTION: Hi Bruce. I have a question for you, but maybe it wouldn't be appropriate to post. How should I feel about working at a church that waters down the truth and doesn't regard holiness as a thing of importance?

ANSWER: Well, I don't know the specifics of what would be troubling you, but in a nutshell, if you're anywhere near a church that isn't concerned about holiness, run for the hills, for crying out loud! I mean, holiness is key--central--the bottom line of it all. And I'm not talking about a legalistic kind of "do this, don't do that..." That's not holiness at all, and the Gospel of Jesus Christ is simply grace, grace, grace--forgiveness in spite of unholiness.

But Paul writes that God's grace is not a license to kill, if you know what I mean. It doesn't mean you just run around burning it up because, "Hey, I'm going to Glory no matter what!" In fact, it's the pursuit of holiness that is the manifestation of God's grace in a person's life. If Jesus truly dwells in a person's heart--or in a church leader's heart--holiness, righteousness, Christ-likeness... will be at the top of his agenda.

The Word says, "Love what is good and hate what is evil." That "hatred" of things evil is something that grows and grows as a person grows in the fruit of salvation and the Spirit of God fills and fills more and more his or her heart.

No one is perfect to be sure, and we're all on that journey of growing in Jesus, but where there is flat-out no pursuit of goodness or holiness, or a complete slacker attitude toward it, or an actual fascination/pursuit of things that are "worldly," especially in church leadership, something tells me there's trouble.

I've ministered in churches that were "going through the motions"--just doing their tradition thing, dressing up and meeting once a week, doing what they wanted on Friday night and it was all ok because they were in church that week. it's crazy that educated adults can actually think that little of God--to think He's satisfied with that. I mean, what a comedy.

But unfortunately, that kind of comedy is rampant, and the amazing thing is that God's grace is bigger than that, too. But please, if you're working in a church or sitting in your church pew squirming because of things you see that you know are just not godly, run for the hills, for crying out loud. No church is perfect, but in terms of a church leader/body that isn't pursuing holiness--one more time--run for the hills! Glory to Jesus!

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QUESTION: I'm a new Christian and have a lot of questions. I've been exposed to many Christians who believe that anyone who has a different viewpoint is anything from wrong to evil. I've heard people condemn Jews, Hindus, Moslems, Jehovah's witnesses even as evil. Didn't Jesus love people of all faiths? And then there are Christians who decide that any Christian who doesn't think like they think or go to the same kind of church, then they are also wrong. Man, I love Jesus, it's just Christians that make me think about going back to my life before I was saved. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

ANSWER: Wow, I don't know who you're hanging out with, but I'd run for the hills if I was you! (That's supposed to be a joke).

But seriously, something tells me they're not quite as ugly or condemning as it may seem to you. At the same time, your words are something we who call ourselves Christians need to strongly consider and take a long look at in the mirror. What's that saying, "We have met the enemy and they are us!" Ugh!

But it's true, and I certainly have run into a whole lot of what you're talking about out there, and I agree, it isn't pretty when it happens, and it just makes me cringe.

The answer to your question is obvious--of course Jesus loved people of all faiths. He loved (loves) people of all everything, if you know what I mean.

There are people who hate Him--and He loves them. There are people who think He never existed--and He loves them. There are people who think He existed, but He was just a good and wise man--and He loves them. There are people who worship the devil and chant against Him--and yes, He loves them, too.

Jew, Hindu, Christian, Moslem, atheist, animist, new age-er... It doesn't matter what--He loves them. And that's not a matter of interpretation--it is the cornerstone of the Gospel itself. Look at the last page of the Bible and you'll see the words, "Come all you who are thirsty, and drink of the free gift of eternal life."

And therein is the key--He loves them so much He just wants to give them all eternal life no matter what background or culture or whatever. He even wants to save "Christians," if you know what I mean. Hey, it's no mystery that there's lots of folks who sit in Christian churches every Sunday but have yet to receive Jesus as their Savior. Amen, brother!

So no, those people aren't evil--they're sinners just as you and I are outside of the grace of God and the blood of Jesus, but not "evil." The evil is in the person of the enemy--the devil. I can't remember the Scripture reference, but it goes like this--"We do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities." And it's true--true-er than we know. That filthy crumb does everything he can to blind people from the truth of Jesus Christ. His entire goal is to rob people of the fullness of life and the fullness of eternal life that Jesus offers, and he'll do it any way he can. Therein is the evil.

So sometimes, yes--Christians make the terrible mistake of coming across self-righteous toward other people. Hey, none of us is prefect and I'm sure I've done my share of blowing it, too. And of course the real irony is that none of us has any righteousness at all outside of Jesus--that's why we need Him. Amen!

But again, something tells me you're being a little hard on folks, because by and large I've had the opposite experience--Christians who just love people and do everything they can to invite them into the goodness of truth and grace that they themselves are experiencing in Jesus.

Self-righteousness is what killed Jesus--it's an attitude that totally opposes Him. Arrogance is the opposite of His character and only turns people away from Him. And then of course--and it's so tragic I don’t even want to go there--when it causes division within the church, man, I can't tell you how that breaks the Lord's heart.

What the world "out there" needs is one thing and one thing only--people who love them and reach out to them with truth, compassion, humility, goodness, and again, truth--just like Jesus did 2000 years ago. The world needs people who are truly "the body of Christ."

So give your fellow Christians a break--Lord knows, both you and I have a lo-o-o-ng way to go, too. If every one of my mistakes was held up to my face, man, I wouldn't stand a chance. What's that old bumper sticker? "We're not perfect, just forgiven." And all I can say to that is, "Thank You, Jesus! Glory to Your precious Name!

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QUESTION: Hello Bruce. How do you know if the church you are in is the right one for you? Kind regards & Many Blessings!

ANSWER: Good question. The funny thing is, I was just thinking about this yesterday - how we so often choose our church for the wrong reasons. So often we choose our church because we like the music style, or the other people are nice, or "I like small churches because it's easier to make friends," or "I like big churches because it's easier to get lost," or "I like the preacher," or "This is the church denomination I grew up in," or, or, or...

Now don't get me wrong - all those things have a certain validity in criteria. Your church needs to be a place that you feel comfortable in. But all those reasons have nothing to do with God or what He wants to do in your life. More than anything your church needs to be a place you are challenged in - challenged to draw closer to Jesus, challenged to dive into the fullness of who He is and the fullness of everything He has for you to be and everything he has for your life.

I can promise you, God is huge and His hopes for your life are huge, and you don't want to miss even a millimeter of it by 'riding the pine' in a church environment that is just entertaining you, or placating you, or more interested in the church than in God, more focused on growing the church than getting people saved and grown-up in Jesus...

There are SO many heartbreaking agendas and scenarios out there, and you just don't want to get stuck in the middle of one. If you value yourself and the God who created you, get brave enough to stand up and make a change if you have to - glory to Jesus!

At my church, for example, I can promise you that there isn't one time I walk out of there where I don't feel 'pushed' (and I mean that in the nicest of ways) to take a step closer to Jesus, and at the same time equipped with 'tools' to make that happen. The focus is clearly on God and the leadership is always on that edge of taking church risks to bring more of Jesus to us and to draw us deeper into the fullness of what a relationship with Him is supposed to be.

One example is our 'prayer circles.' In every service we are told to turn to each other, make circles of 3/4, share needs, and pray for each other. Now I tell you, this is the kind of thing that makes a lot of people uncomfortable, so the church is taking a risk there. But to get people to step out and realize they are a living ministry - to get people accustomed to the power of God working through them personally, to get people to be vulnerable before each other... I tell you, this is a huge thing, and the release of the goodness of God through it is amazing.

We are also challenged in worshipping God more and more, deeper and deeper. For example, we are humbly and graciously called to lift our hands and get on our knees, and really give it up for God - really set ourselves aside and be vulnerable before Him. And it is all encouragement from the Word - not just some pastor trying to work up emotion - it has nothing to do with emotion, but everything to do with honoring God in the fullness of how He deserves to be honored. I mean, lifting hands in praise is an actual scriptural mandate. We are called to 'lift up holy hands' in worship all through the Word. And on the side, that right there is something I never knew - but it was taught to me in my church.

And that leads me to another obviously important thing - the fullness of God's Word. Are you getting more than surface teaching? Are you walking away thinking, "Man, I've read that Scripture 1000 times but never understood it until now - never saw the revelation or practical application behind it."

One time I was speaking in a church and I mentioned something in the book of Revelation. I could see on the faces of the people that they didn't know what I was talking about. To me it was second nature, but to them it was Bible school - and that is completely due to the depth and commitment to the Word that I get from my church platform.

And then there's the bottom line - God has called me to be in the church I'm in. About a year ago I was thinking about moving out of the L.A. area - I get tired of paying 10x as much for one tenth the living standard, and with my focus on ministry as opposed to secular acting, I don't know that I need to be here anymore. But I was seeking God one day, and He clearly showed me that He wants me in this church - and so I stay in L.A. So there's also a matter of just being where God wants you - seek Him with all your heart and He will be faithful to lead you. Praise His holy Name!

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QUESTION: You mentioned somewhere that you had some different ideas for worship. I was curious what they are.

ANSWER: Wow, now that's a question that will get some eyes wide - "What is Bruce talking about?"

Simply put, worship is a lifestyle, an attitude, an everyday consciousness of God's goodness and awesomeness, and behavior that follows suit in honoring Him and blessing Him. In worship I seek to glorify Him, and when we gather to sing praises to Him it is just that - His bride gathering to glorify Him. And I tell you, I just love it!

But you know, what glory is given Him if 10 minutes after I have my hands raised in church, I scowl, let's say, at my spouse? Or start talking gossipy trash with my friends? Or any number of coarse things that make a mockery of God in our lives. Am I foolish enough to think God is more interested in my singing than He is in my honoring Him with my life and how I conduct it? I tell you, worship goes far beyond the latest 'Wow' CD.

I think of Isaiah 58 - go and read it - it will blow your eyes open. Here the Israelites were doing all the right 'religious' things, but missing it completely. God asks them, "Is this the fast I have called you to? Only a day to humble yourselves? On the day of your fasting you do as you please!" It goes on to describe - here they were acting in all the correct religious ways, but treating people like dirt, and God says that just won't fly.

Well, the same could be said of our worship today. It has nothing to do with a church sing-along, although the obvious value in singing praises to God cannot be understated. But then that method of honoring God MUST mesh with what we do and how we do it in our day-to-day lives.

By way of example, I'll tell you a funny thing. I was involved in a big worship event once, and I tell you, it was glorious - there were thousands of brothers and sisters just singing gloriously to their heavenly Father - and I tell you, He loves it!

But then the event was over, and I was walking through the auditorium to the parking lot, and I couldn't believe my eyes. There was mountains and mountains of trash and litter everywhere, as far as the eye could see. There were water bottles and Starbucks cups, programs and whatever, all just thrown on the ground and stuffed under the seats. And I tell you, it was massive.

I couldn't believe my eyes - here are the children of God who have just finished worshipping God, and then they trash the auditorium He's given them to worship in. And I could only think of the guys who clean that place up - guys who need Jesus desperately and only need a strong witness to His presence in people's lives to take them over the edge. Here they are looking around and realizing they're going to be there all night with this mess, thinking to themselves, "This is no different than when there's a rock concert here."

I tell you, that breaks my heart in ways you can't imagine. So the bottom line is, worship is something we live, and not just plugging in our CD to melt away the stress of a long, hard day. Glory to Jesus.

Then there's the sacrifice aspect. I tell you, we have NO idea! You know what hit me recently while I was reading the Old Testament? All this sacrificing of bulls and sheep and all. There are passages where thousands of these animals are sacrificed. I was just in 2 Chronicles 7 where the Temple is completed and the people came to worship, bringing bulls and sheep upon bulls and sheep...

Now we look at that and I don't know about you, but I tend to just thank God we don't have to do stuff like that anymore. But it hit me - and it's so obvious a thing, it's a wonder I never really saw it before - those bulls cost money - BIG money. This was an agricultural society - those bulls were their source of income as were the sheep, and I don't know about you, but go and ask a farmer what a good bull costs and you'll be blown away. I'm talking about thousands. So for them to do what they did was no small thing. It was a HUGE sacrifice, and this was central to their worship.

Well, I'm not so sure anything has changed, except for the practicalities. We are not called to sacrifice bulls and goats, but we are called to sacrifice what may be even harder to sacrifice - ourselves. Our agendas, our flesh, our priorities and conveniences - to honor God by setting ourselves aside.

Think about it - I want to say a,b,c, but it is conversation that doesn't honor God, so I make the sacrifice of biting my tongue. My heart and flesh want to pursue x,y,z relationship, but I clearly know this is not what God wants, so I swallow hard and walk away - a sacrifice. I'm offered a nice position with my company but I have to do things that are ungodly to get it, so I walk away - a sacrifice that honors (worships) God. I'm so tired I'd rather just throw my rubbish beneath the seat like everyone else is doing, but God is trying to get that janitor saved and trash on the ground represents God poorly, so I carry my trash to the trash bin - a sacrifice.

And I tell you, God smiles. Oh my, how big He smiles. Whenever His babies set themselves aside to bless - to worship - Him, to be a blessing to Him, to honor and glorify Him... I tell you, Oh how He smiles! Glory to his blessed Name!

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QUESTION: Bruce, I'm interested in what church you are affiliated with. Is it the Church on the Way that you mentioned in your story? If not what, but more importantly, why did you choose the church you chose? What attracted you to it?

ANSWER: Yes, I still attend Church On The Way here in the Los Angeles area. I've been there since day one and the Lord has shown me very clearly to stay planted there and commit myself there.

Why did I choose Church On The Way? Well, it kind of chose me, to be honest with you. It was the Sunday after I was saved that I was in the shower and listening to Christian radio, and it was a live service from Church On The Way. Well, Pastor Jack Hayford started talking and it was downright scary - it was like God was standing in that shower talking eye-to-eye with me. I remember just shaking half scared and half excited.

Well, they had a later service, so I just got dressed and ran down there. The worship was very demonstrative and that was very uncomfortable. I thought, "These people are nuts." But then the message started and again, it was like God Himself was talking straight to me.

That experience happened again and again, and seemed to happen every time I went. And it wasn't like some kind of mystical thing. It was just that my heart was a blank canvas and I'd been living outside of God's kingdom so long, and everything that was spoken was brand new and exactly where I was at in my life - needing hope and freedom in Jesus Christ. It was glorious!

And as for the worship, I will never forget the time the Lord challenged me. I was standing there with my hands in my pockets, thinking, "I don't have to lift my hands. I can worship my own way." Well, just as surely as I had that thought, I felt the Lord's gentle response - "No, Bruce. You're just self-conscious is all. You're afraid someone will think you're silly." Funny thing is, I was the only one in a room of 3000 people who didn't have his hands lifted, and here I was thinking I would look silly if I joined them. How hilarious.

Anyway, one hand first kind of went up around waist level, then the other one, and inch by inch over time they both got higher and higher, and now here I am today almost jumping on the chair (not really, just joking). But may I step aside and say, this thing of lifting hands to the Lord, not only is it a Scriptural mandate (there are countless passages that say things like, 'lift up holy hands to the Lord'), but I tell you, there is a spiritual dynamic - a thing that happens in a man's heart - and it is wonderful. I mean, there's a 'release' that happens within a guy when he sidelines his ego, composure, or sense of poise to just honor God. I tell you, the Lord just floods into that guy's heart - it's absolutely wonderful. God's promises are absolutely true. Glory to His Name!

So if anyone is struggling with that, be liberated. Go for it! Just close your eyes and trust God and watch the release of worship explode from within you and all around you. Watch your spiritual life take a quantum leap. I can promise you, it will be wonderful for you, and the Lord will be so delighted. Praise the Name of Jesus!

But anyway, the reason I am still at Church On The Way, other than the Lord showing me to stay there, is simply because I am consistently challenged there, I consistently learn there, I never walk away without a million things to think and pray about.

I tell you, it kills me to go to so many churches and see so much 'social club,' keep the people happy, keep the membership up, keep the coffee and smiles coming. I will never forget a pastor actually saying to me once, "Here we preach the people happy." In other words, "Don't dare challenge my congregation - just send them home smiling so they'll come back next Sunday." I tell you, it just breaks my heart.

But my church leadership just doesn't play around. 100% of the time they constantly draw us into being and partaking of everything the Lord has for us to be and live in. There is no resting on your laurels, no kicking back and just doing church. In teaching, they squeeze every precious gem from every letter of The Word, pressing in and pressing in.

Yes, that's it - there is just pressing in to get all of God that a guy can, and be all of the guy that God wants a guy to be. It is the full pursuit of the fullness of His Word and the fullness of His Spirit, which are always totally in agreement, one in the same. I tell you, it's exciting, and so often I thank God for where he's planted me.

But let me just say, please, please, please - don't just sit in church somewhere. If you're not learning, not being challenged, not being drawn deeper and deeper into all God is and all He has for you and all He wants you to be, you're just cheating yourself so tragically.

Don't go to a church because, say, there's lots of single people there, or they sing nice music, or the preacher is an excellent speaker, or, or. Go to a specific church - I don't care how big or small it may be - because there's passion for God there, and that's where you in your particular make-up are able to find the most God that you can. Glory to His Name!

Go after the Lord with everything you've got. Let nothing get in your way. He has huge plans, and it is up to you and I to do everything we can to make sure we don't miss them, and that includes finding the most vital and challenging church family you can climb into. It may be uncomfortable sometimes and may involve a hard decision here or there, but press in! Go for it! Glory to Jesus!

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